Personally I dont find that inspiring in any way whatsoever. Its not celebrating obesity to say that her body is her business and nobody elses. They basically wrote her off the show! I highly doubt the writers decided to just write her off for the hell of it (especially given how much everyone in the cast and crew love her). What? This show has disrespected the actress with poor development and no real storyline except oh hey, im awkward guys. All you ever do on this board is show up and attack womxn for being womxn, LBGTQ+ for being LBGTQ+, people of color for being people of color. Trolls that bodyshame others are a lower life form. Thats a crumpet I want to butter. [laughter], David Ajala as Book and Sonequa Martin-Green as Michael in episode 401 Kobayashi Maru. Thanks for the heads up about Beyer and the Voyager books. Look at the progression of Nog on DS9 from Quarks juvenile-delinquent nephew in season 1 to Starfleet Ensign in the Dominion War on how writers can make you believe in a characters growth and progression. Before we move on to SuKal this Thursday, there are still some bits to catch up on from the Terra Firma arc of Star Trek: Discovery. Having Tilly be one was justdumb. Star Trek: Discovery streams exclusively on CBS All Access in the United States and is distributed concurrently by CBS Studios . Tillys a fantastic character. SuKal accidentally blowing up all warp ships thats another instance of Trek being intwined with my own life So you offend S3 of DSC, you also sully the memory of my mum and EVERY mother that ever died. Perhaps they had a second or third language that they use regularly. advantage. She brings so much heart to the show. Just grow up and ignore the random internet comments you are elevating the drama of this internet troll thing by talking about it. But my initial annoyed response to DISCO in particular, well, Ive let go of that in the past two years, as life is too short to get all worked-up angry over personal quibbles with a tv show. Not everyone is going to agree with you in life but to accuse others of sullying the memories of people they didnt know existed until you replied to their posts may provoke far more negative responses. I think Mary is amazingly pretty and has absolutely nothing to worry about in terms of her figure. Saru would then recognize the potential in her, give her opportunities to build her self esteem and confidence, and wed get a good arc that doesnt seem forced like it does now. So I think we pick up with her after some time has passed since the events of that season, but shes still sort of not really sure what to make of it, and everything that used to be really comfortable isnt sitting as comfortably as it used to if that makes sense. I agree, the writing, character development, and story telling needs to improve. Tillys great contribution is that shes NOT that sort of superwoman most people can never be. Keep up the great work ladies! You always come up with weird posts VS this one is weirder than usual Im afraid to say. Unless you want to count Ezri Dax she was a therapist but I dont believe she heald a high ranking command position. Bad writing, illogical story arcs, unbalanced tempo, underdeveloped characters or sudden jumps in character development. To be clear, my opinion on a show has no bearing on how it helped you at a terrible time in your life. In fact most of their fears and phobias were explored in various episodes. I wanted to be bigger and I spent much of my childhood, adolescence and even into my young adulthood doing all kinds of things to get bigger. She laughs at the memory. I found him quite annoying, myself. What accent? Thats undeniable. Nibiru? :P (I know the whole thing of having a *ships* councilor is inherently different from what real therapists do on dry land, but yeah its super weird. Whether you choose to believe it or not, youre actually part of the problem. Mary Wiseman is sending the message that your body is your own, your responsibility, and nobody elses business, not any sort of health and fitness message. That was why she was never in uniform the first few seasons. The entire point of Tillys character is that shes a Starfleet officer that doesnt have to be a supermodel like so many Trek characters before: Troi, Seven, TPol, Jadzia perfect golden cut supermodels. And I know Chakotay was also Captain on Voyager in those books as well. This is why Discovery is polarising and this is why people four seasons in still dislike Burnham and Tilly as characters. Obesity and overweight are associated with health chronic issues by definition. Some folks here like this nu trek because it lowered standards to make them feel better about themselves. Please back up your statement. That could be it. Even Picard has his own show. Mary Wiseman: Right, when you use empathy for evil, its manipulation. Its one thing thats definitely been improved upon by the more recent stuff. Sonequa is by all accounts probably the best or one of the best chef de compagnie of all the Trek series. Ive learned a lot of bad spelling comes from dictating into your smartphone. Episodes will be. Tilly is a Harry Kim, Wesley Crusher, Travis Mayweather sort of character at least for me. None of us are and its okay. To even suggest that is stupidity writ large. Bullied badly as a child and teen so I know what I speak of; Im just glad I grew up pre-Internet, and I sympathize with any nowadays who have to deal with Internet bullying on top of real world bullying. For me, DS9 was the best Star Trek Show for character development. And to get to see that visually, that was a very gratifying moment for me to see, Okay, somebody different showed up., Mary Wiseman as Tilly and Oded Fehr as Admiral Vance in Coming Home. Remember , they had steroids and thyroid problems in the 80's, but the majority of people were off normal weight, which today would be called skinny. I wasnt complaining there were therapists on board. How does Tillys scientific mind come into play in solving the crisis of the anomaly in season four? With Discovery now firmly planted in the distant future, Paradise notes the importance of ensuring that that show remains connected to the larger Star Trek universe through well-placed references . In a Paramount+ featurette (which you can see below) about the making of the episode, Wiseman talks about how Tilly has changed: Coming back for the finale was really exciting for me because she comes back in this fully black Starfleet suit. If we dont have tolerance and respect, how are we able to learn and improve humanity!? Come on she looks great. Understanding? There have been moments where they tried to do that, but like everything else on Discovery where self-doubt and emotional scenes of worry in darkly-lit rooms need to be front and center, they always seemed to bring Tilly back to spazzing out because she was nervous about whether she can do it before being put on a mission. My suspicion is they farm this out to sweatshops somewhere in Asia. Respectfully, to anyone somehow offended by that. Full Circle is pretty dark in some ways. Given all the trouble the crew got into, Im sure they needed one on the ship. Mention one thing or person loved by EVERYBODY. It feels too 21st century specific as does Tillys. The immaturity of body shaming anyone is hateful and unacceptable. And Kirsten Beyer probably consults on that show too along with her duties on Picard and Discovery, so its possible at least. There really are some of the DS9 authors that are stronger and some that tend to tell too much and show to little in their writing in my view. Wiseman was appreciative of fans who had her back online: I just want to say that all the people who step in, to back me up like that, your presence is like little angels, like blocking out these little trolls. Her character Tilly is not my favorite on the show but body shaming is a shameful act by itself. I guess making Tilly first officer isnt anywhere close to ridiculous as making KT Kirk a Captain who was still a cadet and had probably spent 2 weeks in space before he got the jobbut its pretty damn close. Hopefully next season they will be given more development. I gave this dumpster fire of far left propaganda 4 seasons. You know what, fvck you, Vulcan Soul. Just underused. As soon as she was, they should have rewritten Tilly from being a cadet to being a lieutenant or something. Do I want to be Barclay or Harry Kim? A statistical average does not justify shaming or ridiculing anyone. She makes it all look so easy. Cant believe people are so rude as to insult anyone because they dont look the way they expect. Shes a geeky, nerdy character, so wonderfully over the top, like so many of us in the fandom. They should all try for the standards of randos on the internet like you Such use is more overt in DISCO, but it is by no means out of the ordinary. Sorry for the delay in getting back to you. I like me. So, although he does the occasional guest star role in other shows produced in Canada, he could take on a larger role on Discovery. Me thinks that your issue is not that fans of nu trek are pandered to to feel better about themselves. But my point was that she rarely conveyed anything useful or something that was not already obvious to all. See more at the Paley Center for Media Arts' Star Trek: Discovery Fight for the Future exhibit in Los Angeles, now through July 7th. How is she supposed to sound considering nobody knows what people in the 23rd century will talk like? There is also the issue that a crew needing constant therapy sessions while regularly saving the galaxy is not an easy narrative trick to pull off. I hope that Wiseman uses that info into the future because it does work for fat burning and muscle building. Everybody loves Tilly. Except the writers of course. She isnt back on Discovery. However, we do know that David Mack does. Correct me if I am wrong, but did she not have to take a command course at some point? For now, Wiseman is busy starring in the new comedy play At the Wedding at the Lincoln Center Theater in New York. And doesnt that just make the point about the difference between fitness and apparent chunkiness or curveyness. Somehow these insecure people feel others not like them are a threat to how they see themselves and how the world should, in their opinion, be. I basically just know the books that gets discussed or reviewed here. Tilly got fat, that is inexcusable. In the season four finale Coming Home, Mary Wiseman returned as Lt. Tilly, now a Starfleet Academy leader working with cadets and Admiral Vance to coordinate the evacuation and defense of Earth on Federation HQ. Should the nice girl get off your lawn? If that scene reflects something she regularly incorporates into her real-life, then I think she will be just fine and she can tell the haters to go pound salt. all the outfits here are golden IMO but those shoes murder! 1:15. Make it make sense! Troi made explicit the evil intent lies we tell each other and ourselves to gain selfish material and political advantage. I realized that unless I wanted to deal with health issues like hypertension, diabetes and other medical ailments, I would have to eat less and less as I got older and older. Thats the thing about DSC. It felt like an organic exit, and with the way that others said goodbye to her, it . I keep saying this but its a great time to be a Star Trek fan again! Its 2020 and were taking any more of your sh!t. I do find their quirks annoying at times, but the most important reason I like them is because theyre honest, kind people with a good heart. :-), What, you mean you dont follow your patients around at work, giving suggestions? I like seeing her in the series and like knowing that girls who are considered chunky by their teen or tween peers will know they can become something special and respectable, even if they dont have the ideal Hollywood body type. I think Saru holds out as being the most consistent, and Tilly is close, but not quite. New episodes of Star Trek: Discovery premiere on Thursdays on CBS All Access in the U.S. and on CTV Sci-Fi Channel in Canada, where it's also available to stream on Crave. Not sure what the formal CBS/Paramount process is for publishing that kind of stuff, but the story was so detailed that I genuinely wanted to begin looking into it. Im sorry if the idea of someone not like Discovery upsets you, but its unreasonable to expect people to change their minds for that reason. At the end of season three, I felt that she became captain not because she had earned it, but because the time had run out on the series plan for her promotion. Yes, I like both Barclay and Tilly. Unity? And if people are critical of her because her appearance does not meet their expectations, they dont really have a clue of what Star Trek is all about. That sort of thing contributes to some pretty hardcore dysmorphia sure, they are famous and have luxuries and money so many of us dont, but hearing stories like how Carrie Fisher was told she should lose weight to be able to reprise Leia, or how Kumail Nanjani is scarily fixated on his physical appearance now is sad. I have this image in my head of the EPs saying to Mack that theyd like species that havent been main characters in other shows and asking him to give a list of options for a big and strong species, a species without a bianary gender etc. Its this kind of nonsense that ruins Discovery. They seemed to only be limited by what that particular script called for that week. Funny enough, I have never had a problem with Wesley. She was annoying to me, and the crew gave her a lot of leeway. It is not OK to be overweight. Patrick Kwok-Choon is the only one of the bridge officers that doesnt have another regular acting or producer/director role. After Burnham (Sonequa Martin-Green) and Tilly (Mary Wiseman) journey to a planet alongside Burnham's mother Gabrielle (Sonja Sohn), things get a little hairy when the Qowat Milat nun they're . Shes responsible for her subordinates and to lead by example. Mary Wiseman. It's mostly the super-hero genre where you see this. TrekMovie.com is not endorsed, sponsored or affiliated with CBS Studios Inc., Paramount Pictures Corp. or the Star Trek franchise. Make better choices. We never saw her effort to become that person. Obligatory mention of the stupid turbolifts and how dumb they are. The frequency and level of mockery and hate, very often is targeted to the female actors, for them to behave like women, to behave as woman leaders. I would imagine those who liked Barclay probably include a large portion of those who like Tilly. We use cookies to ensure that we give you the best experience on our website. Sylvia Tilly was an ambitious female Human Starfleet officer who lived during the mid- 23rd century. . GD, what shoes is David wearing in those pics? Other ships having counselors in the TNG era was mentioned. Most actresses on TV, if theyre 58 probably weigh 120# or less. To me, at least. Its intolerance in its most basic form, and anyone who engages in, advocates for, or turns a blind eye and deaf ear to it are examples of the worst humanity has to offer, and most certainly have no business calling themselves a Star Trek fan. Wiseman had other things to do. This time, even if I wanted that, my body said: no were going to take some time here, we need to heal. And so, I find myself in this bigger, fuller body and it made me appreciate where I was before. Han Van Sciver and Mary Wiseman in At the Wedding (Photo: Marc J. Franklin), Watch Wiseman and cast and crew talk about the season four finale. In fact, it says far more about the body-shamers than it does about those being body-shamed. Barclay was another unrealistic character that never shouldve made it in to Starfleet. Not with DSC, not with ANYTHING. The Tilly we saw as Earth, check that United (eyeroll) Earth was being evacuated is NOT the same Tilly we saw for the previous 40+ episodes. I didnt like Reed from Enterprise, does that make me a troll? Lol. Season four of Star Trek: Discovery arrives on Thursday, November 18 on Paramount+. Maybe not but what are your thoughts? And, in that sense, it is okay to be used as it was above. If you cant understand that message, then you are very much part of the problem. It was the fall of 2017 and my non-Trekkie wife, Lisa, had begrudgingly agreed to watch Star Trek: Discovery with me, having heard me talk nonstop about how excited I was for Trek's return to TV.We were on the third episode, "Context is for Kings," when she appeared. I dont think Tilly is ruined. The Klingon redesign was much more than a visual reboot and especially the tech aspects dont fit canon (holographic communication, Klingon cloaking, android bridge crew, easy terraforming, state-of-the-art nanotech, Enterprise battle squad). Tilly is part Wesley Crusher and part Barclay. You cant be a Star Trek fan and also be a racist or a body shamer. I know most dont share my opinon that after a terrible first half of S1, I have generally liked Discovery but making Tilly first officer was quite possibly the most ridiculous plot twist in the history of Trek. And another way to look at it: at least its not another hour of tv taken by a reality show, right? each series has traditionally had someone that acts as a way to explore the inner humanityie spock, data, odo, doc/seven. She also revealed some of her inspirations for this version of Tilly: There is a little Azula from Avatar: The Last Airbender in there. She would have flushed out of SFA in her first year. Biography Shes magnetic. It explains why each scene is half-redundant and half-contradictory with the others within the same episode. The fourth episode of the new season of Star Trek: Discovery ("All is Possible") arrived this morning and it has fans buzzing about Lt. Sylvia Tilly. There are a number of places you can receive professional help and I strongly recommend you seek that help. Michelle Yeoh, considerably smaller in physical stature, probably weighs around 90# [because she is allll muscle]. But Im just happy we are talking about Voyager again, especially since this show is basically a spin off of it! My condolences to you, for your mum. Episodes will be. The door is open, I suppose, if that show should fail for some reason, but I doubt theyll just throw her back into the same role on the ship like nothing ever happened. So many jerks in this world, its good to see decent people. It was a novelty in his first story and they turned it on its head when he got zapped and made super-smart, but most of the time hes very trying, especially when he gets thrown onto Voyager. You can absolutely argue that DISCO incorporates too much emotion with their characters (something I agree with to an extent), but I do appreciate how much more real these characters feel compared to past characters (especially in the early seasons of TNG). Even though he is one of the worst characters in Trek, he was the main focus in arguably the best episode of Voyager: Timeless. Take me to the stars and tell me a story. And if youre able to use that against someone, that could be very, very dangerous. The visual reboot premise was overstretched. That is definitely not a true statement. Why wouldnt someone want to be more like that? It included a lot of the old characters too like Chakotay, BElanna, Tuvok with a lot of new characters. | November 13, 2021 | That will be the one I read first! Tilly is Trekdom. But admittedly, its pretty close. Ive never liked Tilly. The only thing she is qualified for at Starfleet Academy is as a 23rd century specialist. I think criticism of the actors is wrong as well, its not about the actors its what they have been told deliver. Im sorry I can sugarcoat it. She is super meta. Not Mary Wisemans fault; the writers fault. Did Tilly on Discovery gain weight? (OMG, weve gone way off topic lol. Weve seen Captain Killy, so what does Mirror Universe Book look like? We use cookies to ensure that we give you the best experience on our website. You mentioned that the rest of world laughs at America because of obesity. For me I love how it deals with social logic as well as technology. Fortunately, more than 30 years ago I was encouraged to focus on the health aspects of eating well and training hard and not the aesthetics. And over the last couple of years, so have I. Im still not fond of the gory, violent Klingon business of the first couple of seasons, but I slowly began to see DISCO anew. Absolutely. 89. In this week's episode of Star Trek: Discovery season four, we saw Tilly leaving her crew and heading to the academy in order to foster young minds. I read somewhere that Gates McFadden and Marina Sirtis had somewhere in their contract a stipulation that they had to fit into their costumes. All Access Star Trek Podcast, Discovery, DS9, Lower Decks, Section 31, Star Trek 4, Star Trek: Picard, Star Trek: Prodigy, Strange New Worlds. Also, quite likely theyre pointing her towards a bigger role in their upcoming Academy show, when she does want the work of tv again. If that happens, I'm betting she'll be a part of it. Roddenberrys imprint on Next Gen made the characters not flawed enough for some tastes, granted, but Deep Space Nine, Voyager, and Enterprise have countless examples of human foibles and emotions sure, not to the degree as Discovery, with its ship full of Barclays as one commenter put it, rhetorically. Her empathic abilities work via viewscreens? I understand the actress is very well-respected and a nice person, but I couldnt stand the Tilly character myself. And the only family she has is on that ship. The actress also discussed how Killy inspires some fans: Killy is somebody whos very important to a lot of fans, especially my curvy women out there who like to see another full-figured, fat, curvy, chunky woman get to feel powerful and use that size to command authority, said Wiseman.