Andrew mentioned to police that his former live-in girlfriend Patricia Rorrer once managed a horse stable two miles from the bodies location and would have been familiar with the riding trails close to the murder scene. Why would she say that maybe she wasnt really a good friend, just someone trying to inject herself into a super sensational case. This is all BS.She did it. They would have no reason to protect Andrew and lie on her. Disagree with and there are probably many people who still think he is innocent too. All this talk about hairs and other DNA just seems to keep deflecting away from the gun itself. Its his hair (dirty blond and roughly 8 inches in length) that was found in Joanns hand. The evidence was all there. Her mother was married to my uncle. In 1995, Larry Wright was facing a 10-year sentence for two felonies, risk of an injury to a minor and violating a restraining order, and a misdemeanor for threatening by saying, Im going to kill you, to his wife after he caught her cheating. Patricia had a knack for writing strong headlines, which won her first place in a 2012 national contest. To prove it 110% rather than just 99% I dont know why they wouldnt retest the hair fibers etc. Armed homeowners Mark and Patricia McCloskey stood in front of their house in June 2020, confronting protesters who were marching to St. Louis Mayor Lyda Krewson's Even if there were some minor flaws or discrepancies in the investigation, thats normal. Patricia McCloskey pleaded guilty Thursday to misdemeanor harassment and was fined $2,000. This woman killed and is where she belongs! That did amuse me I have to say, but youre way off target there Im more than happy with my state of mind before and after reading any of these comments. Thank you Kerry. Ex-boyfriend Walter Blalock said that Patricia wanted him to be more like Andrew. "It's been a long time coming for the family and the community," Warren said. Patricia defaulted on her mortgage and then returned to North Carolina, where she eventually moved in with a boyfriend named Brian Ward. Cops under pressure will lie to close a case. Allen and Patricia Prue were arrested two days after Jenkins' death. They were telling the truth and revealing the type of person she was, a person that definitely would kill out of jealousy and revenge. Despite the fact it has never been proved thats exactly how it happened, it seems to be accepted as fact it could just as possibly have been the other way round, beaten and then shot. Its perfectly understandable that one should feel sorry for the victims of this heinous crime. His nephew, Islam, the brother to Amina and Sarah and son to Yaser, pleaded guilty to the same charges in June 2021 and received 10 years. Go watch the Reasonable Doubt episode from last night Patricia did it. Janet Marcelin, a business owner, said the police had her rehearse and record a fake confession after intimidating and harassing her during the investigation. Help, the younger sister could be heard crying on a 911 recording. He would be alive today if it were not for Patricia Rorrer. The mild-mannered Sarah died in 2019 at the age of 83. And Patricia did live in another state. Everyone lies. Police need evidence of perpetration in every claimed case, and Sells is regarded as lying about some claimed murders per inability or unwillingness to detail. And Andrews explanation of how the intruder got in through the basement door seemed contrived, according to Grube, who gave an interview to Wrong Man, a 2020 true-crime docuseries from the Starz network, which produced two episodes called The Hang Up about the Rorrer case. Those bodies would have been manipulated by something around there. Crystal Carter is a Bay Area-based reporting fellow with the Center for Media, Crime and Justice in the John Jay College of Criminal Justice at the City University of New York (CUNY). Strands of the accuseds dyed-blond hair at two crime scenes proved it. This case is not over yet more to follow only trouble is, law moves along at a pitiful pace. Pal stays true. Prosecutors did not seek the death penalty, so Said was automatically sentenced to life in prison with no parole. If I see anything that offers a differing opinion or is inaccurate, I think its entirely fair I should say my piece. Read the crime and public safety news your neighbors are talking about. Unfortunately for Joanne this psycho took it badly. Exactly Andrew described his existence with Joanne and Alex as a little Camelot., Ex-spouse off list. Some two years into the investigation of Rorrer, a court order was obtained to remove hair specimens from her. no blood, no finger-prints and no soil evidence it was as if the car had been wiped clean stated the attending investigating police officer!That itself has to be considered highly suspicious and cast doubt on the hair evidence which WAS found. Discuss and express opinion; stop short of asserting that those of the other view (that of judge and jury, at least) are ignorant of facts and wrong, and youre right, because by definition its reasonable for lay people to accept the jury verdict. And this was never disclosed to Rorrers Defence. Cop defends accused. She should have been treated exactly the way she treated that mother and baby, taken out into the woods, shot, beaten and then left to die. Your position Ive read a lot, Im right; you disagree with me, Ill say youre a moron. In another peculiar turn of events, LAPD had failed to preserve the evidence when Jerome Scotts body was found two days after his murder. The Riverside County public defender stated that the court may reduce her first two offences to misdemeanors because they are classified as wobblers. Wobbler refers to a criminal offense that can be classified as either a misdemeanor or a felony. It was total shock. During Patricias hours-long turn in the witness chair, Michael McIntyre grilled her relentlessly. State police and the Philadelphia division of the FBI appealed to the public for leads. Ive heard she gets to go out to LUNCH and this broad is in prison for murdering her husband Russ Stager? Just saying. Its totally irrelevant. The men harbored Yaser Said inside an apartment in Bedford, according to court documents, and he was nearly captured after a maintenance worker spotted him in August 2017. Highly charged case. The Prues were accused of luring Jenkins, a single mother, from her rural home and then strangling and beating her to death. Great communicator. The author that wrote the book on the Rutier case donates all the funds from that book to freeing Darlie Routier because the jury wasnt shown a lot of evidence of the medical issues Darlie suffered. The case was eventually abandoned. Later, they both worked 12-hour graveyard shifts at a textile factory. She was falsely convicted of killing her husband when the Los Angeles Police Department reopened a 17-year-old cold case after coercing two witnesses to tape a confession pegging Patricia Wright and family friend Lawrence Slaughter as the killers. On closer inspection, he saw it was the body of a woman. Patricia Kopta eventually developed dementia, police said. This information was never revealed to Rorrers defence. Narcissistic and violent tendencies are very common. I do. Or did they? I would think if she would have an passed they definitely wouldve started looking somewhere else but there was just too much evidence against her anyway so.. and with forensics the way they are today. Joanns gun and beating wounds were obvious, but the baby died a less violent (but just as horrible) death with no clear signs. I believe this woman murdered Joann and Alex. Owens said Said made her a weak woman but that those days are over. If you want to help her tell her to ask God for forgiveness. She would also have no heart when it comes to children, not even her own. She made Joanne kill the baby PLEASE. WebThe prosecution said Patricia wanted Jeromes $30,000 life insurance policy. If I rolled my eyes any harder they might fall out. One of the hairs had magically developed root material to enable that. "There is nothing I or anyone can say to make what you've been put through any easier," Patricia Prue said. Yaser Said had been on the FBIs Ten Most Wanted Fugitives list since 2014 in connection with the fatal shootings of his daughters, 18-year-old Amina Said and 17-year-old Sarah Said, on New Years Day 2008. That phone call came in on December 7, 1994. Its not logical to say we know the truth unless we seen it for ourselves. "You can keep those evil eyes glaring just glare away because this is going to be the last time that you see me.". Did they ever determine cause of death in the baby? Mal told Keith Morrison that Patricias dance teacher originally confirmed her alibi that she was in class on the day of the murder, then changed his mind. That woman has no soul. Im sure shes innocent adds nothing other than to tell us your state of mind! In fact it clearly shows how short you are on all the details surrounding this case. WebShe is as guilty as her husbandshe KNEW that her husband would kill these girlsshe even STATED that he would kill the girlsand yet she lied to them to get them to return to Texas According to court documents, Yassein and Islam Said had been communicating with Yaser Said since Jan. 1, 2008, to help him evade capture. The prosecution alleged that after the murder, Patricia drove Joanns car to McCartys parking lot and backed it into a parking space. On Aug. 31, 2011, at 11 a.m., Wrights family, the Action Committee for Women in Prison, and the FACTS community and supporters gathered in front of Gov. Those who knew Joann pointed out that she didnt like to drive in reverse and would have never parked that way. Rorrers defenders remind me of a case in my home town There was a killer who confessed, was caught on video committing the murder and was seen committing the crime by an eye witness. If her husband was going to do that Im sure he wouldve done it in a totally different way! Prosecution leader McIntyre, when interviewed, laughingly dismissed him as a nut in an effort to trivialise Traupmans input. So much of it, it would take all day to elaborate here. OK my GUESS is Patricia did do it! Patricia Owens called her ex-husband Yaser Said the devil for allegedly murdering their two daughters at his trial in Dallas on Aug. 4, 2022. Yassein Said, 59, is guilty of conspiring to hide his older brother, Yaser Said, as authorities sought him in connection with the New Years Day slayings. He says he "feared for his life" and left the girls in the cab alive as he ran away. Do you realize that Patricia was only found and arrested more than six months after the murder? ALL IT THEN BECOMES IS A SOURCE OF INACCURACIES AND SPECULATION, WHICH ONLY SERVES TO BOLSTER THOSE WITH THAT MENTALITY AND PERPETUATE THE LACK OF TRUTH. She got 12 months of probation for shoplifting at a Walmart in Lexington, North Carolina. Prosecutors say a 911 call from the night of the murders proves that Said is guilty. I didnt know about the supposed SIDS death of Rorrers first-born. Larry Wrights sentence was reduced to only two years in prison with five years of parole. I just watched Reasonable Dont on this case. There was widespread speculation that the sisters were shot in an honor killing a practice in some cultures in which men kill female relatives who are thought to have brought shame upon their families. Prue is currently serving a life sentence with the eventual opportunity for parole. Contact Elizabeth Murray at 651-4835 or emurray@freepressmedia.com. Joann would have fought for her life the person that did this would have had marks on them from a fight! Am I missing something? Have a tip or story idea? I THINK THEY SHOULD REOPEN THIS CASE AND LOOK AT THE HUSBAND JUST SAYING BUT IN MY HEART AND MIND FROM READING ALL THE NOTES AND STUFF PATRICA IS NOT GUILTY AND THEY NEED TO SET HER FREE. Conflicting versions. Another point is the theory developed by the cops that the victim (Joann) was shot just one time and then bludgeoned to death. Barry Grube, one of the few, if not only, police officers sympathetic to Patricias cause, noted that Andrew didnt seem particularly frantic while authorities searched desperately for his wife and son. Dame Patricia said she was "deeply saddened" to hear of her former co-star's death. Jury convicts man who harbored fugitive brother accused of killing The fat cow is guilty as hell and I hope she continues to have the shit kicked out of her in prison every day of her useless life. It wasnt aimed at any one video producer. Until next time, cheers. I want to know why no one has answered this question: if there was no root found on the hair clutched in Joanns hand how was the lab able to produce all those results that could not have been found without roots??? Clifford Freeman, were you a juror? She held up pictures of her dead daughters. Emailus. Out of the two hairs found in the car only one had enough root to perform a DNA match which did match but police waited to arrest Patricia until a highly advanced and accurate match could be made, which took a year. Before Said was taken away, he heard two victim impact statements. I accept there are a couple of remarks which can be seen that way but they are in direct response to those whove been offensive in the first place. Said (We didnt get into the specifics.). Dont even think about arguing with me until they DNA test that hair and the broken fingernail found on her body; Ill just laugh at you. There is pendency of DNA investigation for Routier. Shes extremely, extremely happy with the baby. Before receiving her final sentence, Patricia Prue, 35, of Waterford addressed the court saying that her biggest regret was not seeking help for her mental health issues earlier. I live in Pennsylvania, not far from where this happened. Irelands husband buried it in the yard because he didnt feel comfortable with a firearm inside, she said. Keep in mind that 34 hairs are in custody of the state police, so where are the other 4 hairs? WebPatricia Lynne Rorrer made for a good suspect. Another thing that stumps me is Joannes supposed good friend who said that Joanne told her she was leaving Andrew. DA readily agreed they did not belong to Rorrer, was happy to admit they were never submitted for analysis. The police report misspells his name (Troutman) and doesnt include his address, suggesting authorities didnt want anyone to track him down, according to Patricias side. Patricia Whatever the truth is. Forensic Files didnt mention it, but the hairs were actually brown at the top and the rest dyed blond, according to the show Autopsy Six: A Fatal Attraction. I mean the husband did do some shady things maybe he was involved? Sticking to a promise he made before the pair pleaded guilty, the Republican governor announced Tuesday that Mark and Patricia McCloskey were among 12 people granted pardons on Friday. This response of yours neatly sums up your dogmatic view of her guilt despite so much evidence to the contrary. DA readily agreed they did not belong to Rorrer, was happy to admit they were never submitted for analysis. Finally, another irony you fail to appreciate: you claim theres money to be made from the commercials added into their show. The number of delusional people in this world both shocks and frightens me. You seem to have a fragile ego. The longer it took to find the bodies the easier it would be for her alibis to be believed as it wouldve been harder for people to remember if she was at a dance class etc that she regularly attended on that specific date. Lawrence Slaughter is currently serving a life sentence in Calipatria State Prison for the murder of Jerome Scott as well. Locked up. Jenkins was a teacher at St. Johnsbury Academy. No charmed life. Well, at least you managed some sense there when you say that, especially when you take into account the amount of evidence and witnesses which were withheld from the Defence and what appears to be a clear case of evidence-tampering. "Yaser Said, you're a devil. Said's defense attorney said he will be filing a notice to appeal. Missouri's Governor Pardons The St. Louis Lawyers Who Waved They allege that the North Carolina resident stealthily drove 500 miles to Pennsylvania and killed out of a sense of deadly indignation. What they reported to us is that she came into their care in 1999 where she was found in need, in the streets in Puerto Rico, where she had been wandering around. And I hope I can get down to see her., Were very thankful to know that Patty is alive and well, Smith added. neither her nor there couldnt be linked to her. For goodness sake, it was never proved at her trial she used the gun the police so steadfastly offered as evidence or for that matter, ANY OTHER GUN. I am reliably informed they took SIX hours, not TWO as stated in my comment. You are absolutely right. Despite the new evidence and hypotheses, the courts have rejected all of Patricias bids for a new trial. The Southern Christian Leadership Conference (SCLC), the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP), Families to Amend Californias Three Strikes (FACTS) and Change.org are among the many groups that have been working to get Patricia Wright released from prison. Its nine minutes into the video. SHE IS NOT GUILTY OF THESE CRIMES. Sir I would not kill somebody and I definitely wouldnt kill somebody I never met, Rorrer said. Patricia and her husband broke up after the babys death. After relocating to Pennsylvania, Patricia met the 6-foot-2-inch Andrew in a restaurant. They are a joke. Tragedy also touched Patricias life. It could be coincidence, but I really doubt it. And its been bad. Youll have to make do with what you see here. she didnt need to . They also found a photo of Patricia taken 11 days before the homicide. "You deserve to die now, not in prison. He had an attractive new wife and beautiful baby boy. Thats all for this post. If you want to help her let her find peace by admitting her wrong and asking God for forgiveness. One more thing acquire ALL the facts about this case If you can read. I saw lots of her defenders saying that he got the hairs from a hairbrush of hers that he had somehow saved, which I thought was absolutely ridiculous. He was happy. And I have absolutely no sympathy. Im quite happy to accept that ANYONE who makes a TV documentary makes it for money. Very similar. Inside the locked 1992 vehicle, police discovered some strands of blond hair stained with dried blood. After researching this case more thoroughly, I stand corrected about the time it took the jury to return a verdict. so then using your contention, one who is deeply religious and sees God as being a factual figure is wrong? Why would the LAPD destroy the evidence, Patricias sister Arletta and other family members still ask to this day. After one bullet didnt kill Joann, the gun locked up, so Patricia had to beat her to death, according to the prosecution. The hearing of the motion for reduction of felony to misdemeanor will be held Tuesday, Oct. 11, at 1:30 p.m. in the Riverside Courthouse at 4050 Main St. in Department 42. He said she did own a firearm, with its serial numbers filed off. And about the only thing from your comment with which I can agree, is you saying thats not proof theyre right in reference to their verdict. The Free Patricia Rorrer page responds to comments from supporters (How is this even possible that this woman is still in jail?!? The Egyptian-born taxicab driver was sought on capital murder charges since the New Years Day 2008 shootings of his two daughters, Sarah Yaser Said, 17, and Amina Yaser Said, 18, which have been described as honor killings.. The Dallas Morning News revealed that Patricia said, "All I can say is there's going to be justice," after waiting for 12 years of pain of losing her children. . Yes, documentaries probably do misrepresent evidence, and many may respond to that misrepresentation, but beneath that is jury judgment, and while courts can be wrong they are usually right. Patty Hearst Meanwhile, interest in Patricias plight continues on social media. Plus, two men, her babys father and his friend, testified they saw Patricia at the line-dancing club the night of the homicide. And she called 911. Every type of cut, bruise etc would heal perfectly in that time. Youre clutching at straws Im afraid. Was Amina Said Mother Patricia Owens Said Charged With Murder? One on one? Im dying. Theres speculation and theres lies period. The girls mother, Patricia Said, fled with ), The Wrong Man investigators Ira Todd and Joe Kennedy have some theories of their own. The couple was not allowed to have contact during court proceedings. Book her. They were able to match 5 hairs all the same micro DNA which happened to match the DNA pulled from blood samples Pat gave. At one point, Owens looked directly at Said and reminded him of all of the abuse they endured, allegedly having a knife pulled on her. Alfey says that the next thing he knew his mother was being handcuffed and taken to the county jail even though the woman who was showing the model home was given back the stolen property. Did you personally attend the trial? Or did they? Fugitive dad arrested for slaying teen daughters in honor killing Shes attracted the help of writer Tammy Mal (full name Tammy Malinowski OReilly), author of Convenient Suspect, a book about the case. Patricia Cole, a veteran copy editor whose sharp eye, quick wit and kind heart made her a cherished colleague at NPR and other news outlets, died on Friday at age 46, She also will never get to see them get married. Patricias accusers theorized that she resented Joanns domestic bliss with the tall, athletic Andrew Katrinak. In one entry, she writes that she has plans for people who have messed with her, and that "people will be surprised of what she is capable of," Caledonia County State's Attorney Lisa Warren said. She embraced spontaneity and diligence. Trash-talking ex. "I want to apologize personally for the fact that my husband wasn't a strong enough human being to admit his wrongs and be able to take his rightful punishment willingly," she said. Nope. But I suppose you havent a clue about that. Interesting thought about the alibi timing. The story of Patricia - The Vivid Faces of the Vanished | Facebook Another glaring omission is Early in the investigation, the police in their zeal to add some substance to their fanciful theory about the gun used in the crime, did a thorough search of Rorrers back yard/garden (where they did target practice) looking for spent shells and bullets, in order to do a forensic comparison with the bullet recovered from the victim. Its an opinion learnt from a well-researched book, from documentaries which show and mention a great deal of facts and evidence which was never brought up at her trial. In 2016, Oklahoma police arrested the mother, Patricia Spann, now 44, and her 26-year-old daughter, Misty Velvet Dawn Spann, charging both of them with incest. On Instagram, I found a post for a two-part Win at All Costs podcast featuring journalism professor Bill Mousheys interviews with Patricia Rorrer from prison in December 2019.