The cast of ER took the doctor drama genre to the next level when the show premiered in September 1994. Yes, Carter wanted to fix and save Abby, but I think he had good intentions in general and wanted her to be happy/healthy. Margulies produced Canterburys Law in 2008 and went on to become a producer on The Good Wife. But fans were immediately drawn to the duo and as the kids say these days shipped the two of them romantically. So I was just like this little puppy tagging along behind Noah the whole time, and it definitely more felt like a friendship between Lucy and Carter than it felt like any kind of romance., Following Lucys death in season 6 which you can read all about here Carter went on to have a relationship with Abby (Maura Tierney), who joined the show a few episodes before that infamous hour in which Lucy and Carter are both stabbed. Invasive Radiologist, had a fling with Dr. Corday. Nurse Haleh Adams showed Abby a hidden wall with the locker labels of all the past staff members since season one, with the exceptions of Carter (who refused to deface government property) and Boulet (who took hers as a memento when she departed in Season 6). It's not that long ago. Wyle admitted that he was difficult to work with, explaining that he was "really hard" on his co-stars. But nobody was doing that, and I think that there's something kind of magical about that. Another example of ER being ahead of its time is Season 1, Episode 10 when Carter treats a transgender woman, Rena, played by Vondie Curtis-Hall, who ends up committing suicide because she realizes that as she ages she will no longer be able to pass for a woman.Her brief storyline was poignant and really set the tone for the first season. ER is an American drama series that aired on NBC from September 19, 1994, until April 2, 2009. Alderman for City of Chicago and patient of Kerry Weaver for Syphilis. KRUMHOLTZ: That scene is so heartbreaking. However, Carter's is missing; according to Haleh, he did not want to do it because it was "defacing government property.". So all those things building up together with that soundtrack make it a great sequence. The actress starred in The Stepfather, Night and Day, Criminal Behavior, The Confession and Runaway. Just hit 'Like' on our Digital Spy Facebook page and 'Follow' on our @digitalspy Instagram and Twitter account. Lawyer and patient. Cern joined the cast as nurse Chuny Marquez in 1995, starting in the maternity ward before switching to the ER. Carter Elliott and Timmy Wayne Robinson Carter made the announcement and shared details of the couple's special day on social media Friday. MARTIN: I was in New York in my apartment by myself, and I started to watch it, and I called my husband in Los Angeles, and I said, "Make sure you go over to my mom's house, and you don't let her watch this episode." And I think that they had intended for Lucy and Carter to be together in the beginning, but when you start a story line, you dont know where its going to end up. Everybody had to earn their keep, in my opinion, especially poor Kellie Martin (Dr Lucy Knight). I had a big problem with it. It was not fun to be the actor laying on the gurney with the chest thing over you that they're going to saw into you. Former ER star Noah Wyle has opened up about his time on the medical drama. His father, John (Jack) Truman Carter Jr. (Michael Gross) is caring but reserved, and very acquiescent with his wife until he gets tired of her being an "emotional vampire" and divorces her. Innes has also starred in Model Minority, The Good Neighbor and North Star. While on the show, he also starred in Bringing Down the House, Bones, The Way Back Home and In the Mix. Eeep. Its hard to catch lightning again. Us Weekly has affiliate partnerships so we may receive compensation for some links to products and services. Noah Wyle (Dr. John Carter), Anthony Edwards (Dr. Mark Greene), Eriq La Salle (Dr. Peter Benton) and Sherry Stringfield (Dr. Susan Lewis) rounded out the original six cast members. Helped Mark fend off a civil lawsuit, later returned having lost all his money in a dot-com bust. ", KRUMHOLTZ: I remember after it aired a friend called me and said, "That was great." "I have this Forrest Gump-ian way of touching something and it becomes a hit!" KRUMHOLTZ:I just remember being struck by how much it just felt like a very small, tight-knit family and a really small set, and that made it sort of all the more tragic that we were filming the storyline about one of them being killed off. Noah Wyle left in the Season 11 finale, "The Show Must Go On." The first additions to the main cast came in Season 2 with Gloria Reuben signing on as Physician Assistant Jeanie Boulet (recurring character in Season 1), and in Season 3 with Laura Innes as Dr. Kerry Weaver (recurring character in Season 2). In order for Carter to change from his surgical residency to an emergency medicine residency, he agreed to work without pay. From Austin Butler and Cate Blanchett to a potential Best Supporting Actress toss-up, see who EW thinks will win at the 2023 Oscars. Not that Kellie is not a very attractive woman, he says. WYLE: I feel bad because there were a lot of extenuating circumstances in Kellie's life that I wasn't aware of at the time. Afterward, he went to Paris, where Kem is visiting her mother. MARTIN: My sister had passed away a week before I started ER. He arranges for Kova to be sent home, and sends a letter to Abby ending their relationship. They didn't really make a big deal out of it being a big moment on the show. The California native later appeared in the short Raven, Crowning Jules and Courting Mom and Dad. Welcome to the Quantum Realm. Director 86. Carter gave a lot to Abby. Innes returned for two episodes in Season 15, including the series finale. MARTIN: To this day, I have people coming up to me, they'll get ashen when they see me sometimes. During the fifteenth season, Wyle again reprised the role for five additional episodes, first returning in "The Beginning of the End" and ending with the series finale. she should have gotten an emmy nomination for this episode. Michele made a cameo appearance in the Season 8 episode "On the Beach" at Mark Greene's funeral. Along with their son Joe, they presumably headed to Boston, where Abby had accepted a new job. From Austin Butler and Cate Blanchett to a potential Best Supporting Actress toss-up, see who EW thinks will win at the 2023 Oscars. If it were me now, I would have a lot more fun with it. "I've systematically gone to and apologised to everybody over the years about being the person that I was.". Carter is very close to his grandmother, whom he calls "Gamma", and intermittently lives at her home. Ill give her that. He begins making mistakes at work. Working in the ER once again, he is shown to still be a good doctor with good judgment, but is still catching up with the latest medicines and techniques being used in the US. In a lengthy interview with The Hollywood Reporter, the star who played Dr John Carter between 1994 and 2009 revealed that he found it "horrible" seeing the show move on without him after his exit. Chase eventually overdoses, resulting in severe brain damage. I was a fan before I became a cast member, and I don't think there was a day that went by on that show that I didn't feel a nervous excitement for being in their presence. Abby knew Carter would do pretty much anything for her. Deezer D portrayed nurse Malik McGrath, who often brought the laughs to the ER throughout the 15 seasons. He was back in Chicago to be placed on the US transplant list. George Clooney's departure towards the end of Season 5 started a major cycle of main cast changes over the next few years. Father of Jing-Mei Chen. Plus, there was comedic relief from Dearon Deezer D Thompson (as nurse Malik McGrath) along with his fellow nurses Laura Cern (Chuny Marquez) and Yvette Freeman (Haleh Adams), who helped keep the emergency room running smoothly. She also wrote and produced the short film One Smart Fellow. He collapses to the ground, where, in a traumatic twist, he sees Lucy laid out in a pool of blood; she would end up dying in the second episode. Actress Emma Kenney, who plays "Harris" in the show, announced her pregnancy during Wednesday night's episode, and her family, who has generations of young parents, had mixed reactions to the. Innes wed actor David Brisbin in 1988. He also worked as a motivational speaker and hip hop artist. Copyright 2023 Meredith Corporation. When medical drama ER launched 25 years ago, it boasted an ensemble cast including two then-unknown actors who were soon to become fan favourites - George Clooney as paediatric doctor Doug Ross. I don't have any regrets.". While they are both devastated, Kem and Carter's relationship manages to survive. The NBC series ran for 15 seasons, ending in 2009, and helped launch many of its stars careers, including George Clooney, who played Dr. Doug Ross. She had a recurring role on Awake in 2012 and How to Get Away With Murder in 2019. As she leaves the clinic's opening, she tells Carter to call her to set up breakfast before she flies back to Paris. If you make a purchase using the links included, we may earn commission. He then starred in Helen, The Girl With the Dragon Tattoo, Dark Hearts, General, Fatima and The Accursed. Fans were hooked from beginning to end as the residents became doctors and nurses navigating Chicagos County General Hospital emergency room. The New York native portrayed nurse Carol Hathaway who was also the nurse manager and married to Doug Ross (Clooney) from 1994 to 2000. In "And In The End", the series finale, Carter uses his family fortune to finally open the Joshua Carter Center, a medical clinic for the underprivileged that fits into the plans he announces when his grandmother's will is read. Sues Mark Greene after his brother dies; a suspect in Greene's beating but is not responsible. Briefly dated Carter in Season 7. MARTIN:In the second episode, I had to have a chest cast made so they could use the sternal saw. Soon after, Maura Tierney was added as Nurse (later Dr.) Abigail "Abby" Lockhart. "Goran, I [gave him grief] when he first came on," he said. Thanks to Benton's thoroughness which initially annoys the surgeon performing the operation, a complication is resolved and the operation is a success. The actor died in January 2021 at the age of 55. Georgetown High School played their last foot ball game on Armis tice Day. By clicking Sign Up, you agree to our Terms and Conditions and that you have read our Privacy Policy. The Mexican actress had a recurring role on Shameless and Station 19, in addition to appearing as a guest star on Major Crimes and Firefly Lane. In the 2020s, Edwards continued his rein on television with prominent roles in two drama miniseries:Inventing AnnaandWeCrashed. She made a guest appearance nine years after her departure in season 15s Old Times. Margulies starred in Slingshot, Snakes on a Plane and Beautiful Ohio before appearing on The Sopranos and Canterburys Law. WYLE: That was Laura's choreography, to have her on the ground in this pool of blood, and have me eventually fall into it and have the last shots just being these close-ups of these faces trying to see each other. I didn't come back at all the 13th and 14th seasons, and then I think I ended up doing six of the 15th and final season, which was so great. Carter and Abby after his grandmother's funeral It made total sense that he checked out after his grandmother died and he abruptly left. [jwplayer 1cfxj7Vr-l3ahXupL] Husband of a pregnant patient in Mark Greene's care, Father who was brought in after a car accident with his son, Son who was brought in after a car accident with his father. Because boy, Ive actually been watching it a bit because my wifes been watching it, which is very odd. Anesthesiologist who hated Dr. Corday and vice versa. Carter's grandfather, John Truman Carter Sr. (George Plimpton), is disappointed by Carter's career choice, and though Carter respects him, he also resents him. This is pro ball, blah blah blah blah.'. MARTIN:I didn't think of it as an honor at the time,Lucy was always a little bit of a mystery to me, so I never felt comfortable in her shoes. John J. Galloway . Pam Grier reflects on her most iconic roles, from Coffy to Jackie Brown. Pam Grier reflects on her most iconic roles, from. The Delaware native played recurring character nurse Haleh Adams in all 15 seasons. WYLE: It was a well-made episode. Greene, Weaver, Chen, Anspaugh and Benton tell Carter he needs to go to rehab or he will lose. When I turned to her, I pretended like, "Oh, there you are," and I bent down like this and put my hands on my hips, it was like I was talking to a child. In season 12, Carter appeared in a four episode arc, working with a fellow doctor in Darfur, Sudan, where he is joined by Dr. Greg Pratt (Mekhi Phifer) and Debbie (Mary McCormack). Sometimes, the shadow is far scarier than the monster, and that day, we made good choices. The Connecticut native also starred on A Gifted Man, Blackout and Under the Dome. The Oceans Eleven stars onscreen love interest Julianna Margulies (who played nurse Carol Hathaway) was also launched to super stardom after her performance on the procedural. Below, all three talk about what it was like to film that monumental, heart-wrenching scene. KRUMHOLTZ: I still get messages on Twitter now that people have never fully forgiven me for what I did. this link is to an external site that may or may not meet accessibility guidelines. "Oh my God, I have to. However, a young soldier recognized Carter as the doctor that tried desperately to save his brother though he ultimately failed. I was definitely traumatized by Lucy's send-off. I mean, it was pretty brutal. Offers may be subject to change without notice. Wyle married actress Sara Wells in 2014. But I called it a divorce with visitation rights, because I didn't want to say goodbye obviously to the best job and experience I've ever had. I think you have to leave what was so beautiful and move on, because it just feels cheap It would cheapen it for me.. John Truman Carter III, M.D. Throughout the course of the series (particularly at the beginning of season 8) we meet various members of Carter's wealthy family and see that he is very uncomfortable with coming from money, to the point where he goes out of his way to not talk about his background. Margulies echoed Clooneys sentiments, adding: You cant capture lightning in a bottle twice. The actress shares daughter Salome with her second husband. The actress then starred on Rescue Me as Kelly McPhee, The Whole Truth as Kathryn Peale, Ruth & Erica as Erica and had a recurring role on The Good Wife as Maddie Hayward. SHREVEPORT, La., June 29 (AP) Frank Sutton, who played the tough Marine Corps Sergeant Carter in the "Gomer Pyle" television series, died last night at the age of 51. He reprised his role again in 2009 during the shows final season. He appeared in two more episodes during season 15 in 2009. "To not be on that show and have that show be on TV was horrible. Edwards married Jeanine Lobell in 1994. He starred on The System as Andrew Evans before appearing in Inside Out, Johnny Was and episodes of 24, Covert Affairs and How to Make It in America. With his painkiller addiction starting to affect his work, Drs. Montreal (Qubec) :James N. Greenshields,1892-1896. He is then transferred to Northwestern Medical Center. 257 talking about this. "I hated him because I always felt like I was losing a scene to him.". In a fitting ending to his career at County, Carter's last patient is a young girl who he had delivered 11 years before when he had just been first starting out. Chief of Cardiology and member of the board. Carter arrived at County General as a third-year medical student. Prescription drug addict. He wouldnt do it, he wouldnt do it, he wouldnt do it. Knight dies from her injuries while Carter's injuries leave him with lifelong kidney problems. He explains to Cate Banfield that he is relocating to Chicago, and is looking to pick up some shifts. Paul Drinkwater/Warner Bros Tv/Amblin Tv/Kobal/Shutterstock, Click to share on Facebook (Opens in new window), Click to share on Twitter (Opens in new window). WYLE: I remember very early on her being so mad at me because I made this choice. When the clinic is overrun by militia, Luka is threatened by guerrilla soldiers. Credit: Paul Drinkwater/NBCU Photo Bank/Getty Images. (written by) (1 episode, 1994) David Zabel As a resident, his confidence grew, and he often went out of his way to help patients. Dejah Thoris is portrayed by Lynn Collins in John Carter (2012) . Entertainment Weekly may receive compensation for some links to products and services on this website. For access to all our exclusive celebrity videos and interviews Subscribe on YouTube! She cowrote the 2016 childrens book Three Magic before releasing her 2021 memoir, Sunshine Girl: An Unexpected Life. is a fictional character from the NBC television series ER. 8. r/SVU. She split from actor Billy Morrissette in 2006 after 13 years of marriage. MARTIN: This was before the internet and spoiler alerts, and all that. 2023 Oscars predictions: See who will win at the 95th Academy Awards. People were coming up to me on set saying, "You're going to be all right, though, right?" With ER in its sixth season, executive producer John Wells planned to send Wyle's noble trust fund Dr. John Carter on the path to becoming a drug addict after being physically and emotionally felled by a tragic accidentthe death of his protg Lucy Knight. In the film, she is portrayed as a scientist working to perfect a method of using the Ninth Ray. MARTIN: The scene that was unnerving to me was that scene at the end of the second episode where I'm lying on the slab, dead, and they cover me up. They do occasionally argue, however, usually in regard to Carter's reluctance to participate in matters related to the family foundation; Gamma modifies her will to remove Jack as the head of the foundation and puts John in charge of it, leading to him changing its mission from supporting Chicago arts programs to supporting public health initiatives. And me saying, "Nope, turns out nope. Chase Carter (Jonathan Scarfe) is John's first cousin and a "functioning"[clarification needed] heroin addict. I remember just having total freedom. It's very sticky, it's very unpleasant. Dr. Greene and Dr. Lewis spent almost their entire relationship as best friends . Father of John Carter. His directing credits include four episodes of ER, Charlies Ghost Story and My Dead Boyfriend. Not going to be all right." Carter had a dedicated and compassionate approach with his patients. MARTIN: I always felt very honored to be a part of ER. (created by) (331 episodes, 1994-2009) Michael Crichton . WYLE: Laura [Innes, who directed the first episode] was more interested in what was happening on my face than what could be interesting about the salaciousness of seeing a knife enter my body. She later withdrew that claim. Although Carter is initially opposed to going, Dr. Benton convinces him and boards the plane with him. Mekhi Phifer departed in the Season 15 premiere when his character, Gregory Pratt, died in the ER as the result of blast injuries suffered in an ambulance explosion in the Season 14 finale. The police said that Mr.. Medical student, assigned to Dr. Carter in Season 4 but had no interest in doing anything ER related with his focus on medical research. How Marvel went big with Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania. 's main original cast included George Clooney (who played Dr. Doug Ross), Anthony Edwards (who played Dr. Mark Greene), Noah Wyle (who played Dr. John Carter), and Julianna. He visited the Joshua Makalo Carter Center. Scrub in! While filming ER, she also starred as Evelyn Smalley on Working. Kingston joined the cast as surgeon and physician Dr. Elizabeth Corday in 1997. Pam Grier reflects on her most iconic roles, from Coffy to Jackie Brown. Kem And Carter's Rocky Relationship ER's overall narrative certainly implied that John Carter's wife Makemba was the love of his life, but their relationship certainly wasn't perfect. Junior Surgical Attending, (Formerly Chief Resident). 174. The show was a massive success, earning a record-setting 124 Emmy nominations, winning a total of 23 trophies, including one for Outstanding Drama Series. In order to view the gallery, please allow Manage Cookies. WYLE:Sometimes graphic violence depicted is exactly what you need to do, and sometimes implied violence is the way you need to do it. Pediatrics Intern. Kellie came on that show and we were like rock stars. Erik Palladino departed early in Season 8, in the episode "Never Say Never," after his character, Dave Malucci, was fired for inappropriate conduct. Kem surprises Carter by attending the opening ceremony, but she is seemingly uncomfortable around him. I remember taking it kind of personally that I was being stabbed and leaving the show. Dr. Carter, in turn, said the same thing to Dr. Archie Morris as Carter left the ER, although Morris did not understand the significance. As a result of Carter's chronic battle with pain, survivor guilt, and resistance to getting help, he eventually develops an addiction to narcotics. He performed Hamlet in Dubrovnik in front of thousands of European screaming fans. I don't know, I was really young, I was psyched to get an audition. KRUMHOLTZ: The impact that had, I could never have assumed it would have. He returned two weeks later in season 10. He was also a co-executive producer on Chicago P.D. Paul McCrane's character, Robert Romano, whose arm had been severed just above the elbow by a helicopter's tail rotor in the Season 9 premiere "Chaos Theory, died in the Season 10 episode "Freefall." On Feb. 10, 2000, more than 30 million viewers tuned in for the heartbreaking hourbut Martin was not one of them. I was not nice all the time to Kellie. Work on the three-room annex has begun and . It was scary.". MARTIN: When I found out that's what they were going to do, I was happy, and honored, yet at the same time a little bit wondering what I had done to deserve such a big demise. So, I don't think I would feel the same way now, being 42. Jack recognizes this and keeps some distance from his son as a result. Before death became a regular occurrence on television, NBC's juggernaut ER did the unthinkable by killing off one of America's sweethearts in a traumatizing hour that still haunts viewers to this day. Entertainment Weekly may receive compensation for some links to products and services on this website. Although their relationship ended on "won't they", the relationship between Mark and Susan was one of the show's best. He often settled lawsuits for clients and then told them the suit hadn't been settled, pocketing the money. She later returned in 2001 for season 8, but exited for good in 2005 after season 12. The Croatian actor played Dr. Luka Kovac from 1999 to 2008, becoming a series regular after Clooneys exit. She hesitated but later accepted the offer. Alex Kingston's character, Elizabeth Corday, departed early in Season 11 in the episode "Fear" after getting in trouble for performing an illegal organ donation procedure; rather than being summarily fired, County offered her a demotion to a non-tenured position, but she turned it down and opted to return to England instead. Newbie Julia (Alexis Bledel) delivers bad news to a patient in a similar way that Susan (Sherry Stringfield) had done to a good-guy patient played by Miguel Ferrer. He later starred in Big Sur, Consumed, Drew and Controversy, in addition to voicing Echo in Planes. She landed the role of Sarah Bishop in A Discovery of Witches in 2018. The main cast was augmented by a wealth of recurring characters and award-winning guest stars. Kellie Martin joined the show in season 5 as third-year medical student Lucy Knight, who was assigned to work under Dr. Carter (Noah Wyle) in what ended up being an often contentious relationship that eventually bordered on mutual respect. says the actress. Kingston has been married three times: to Ralph Fiennes from 1993 to 1997, Florian Haertel from 1998 to 2010 and Jonathan Stamp, whom she wed in 2015. The California native played Hank Galliston on Zero Hour before having a recurring role on Law & Order: True Crime and Designated Survivor. In 1999 Carter was played by Denzel Washington in a film, Hurricane, directed by the Canadian Norman Jewison. You don't kill a regular character offat least we didn't. Kem's pregnancy ends tragically at eight months when she gives birth to a stillborn son in the episode "Midnight". So you're the least likely character to develop a drug addiction, and I think that is exactly why it should be you. Fans were. Shane West joined the cast in Season 11 as Ray Barnett and Scott Grimes became part of the main cast in Season 12 as Dr. Archie Morris (recurring character in Seasons 10 and 11). The Michigan native has more than 15 director credits to her name, including The West Wing, ER, Brothers & Sisters and How to Get Away With Murder. When you look at the show, itd be hard to say that we could do it [again] at the level that we did it, Clooney said. In a lengthy interview with The Hollywood Reporter, the star - who played Dr John Carter between 1994 and 2009 -. Schizophrenic patient who in a psychotic break stabbed both John Carter and Lucy Knight, the wounds leaving Carter injured and with life-long kidney problems and eventually resulted in Lucy's death. Part of the a360media Entertainment Group.Powered by WordPress VIP. A helicopter that was taking off from the hospital roof was buffeted by strong winds, causing it to crash on the roof and plummet over the side of the building; it fell into a crowded ambulance bay and landed squarely on Romano. Unable to shake his grief, Carter decides to join Dr. Luka Kova (Goran Visnjic) in Congo without Abby's support. I mean, nobody had cell phones. She played Alicia Florrick on The Good Wife for seven seasons, from 2009 to 2016, which earned her two Emmys. Dont forget to subscribe for more exclusive interviews and photos, only in EW. Marvel 2010s Never. He took a job with a set schedule at another hospital in order to spend more time with his son, Reese, and his girlfriend, former fellow ER doctor Cleo Finch. Psychiatrist who was in a relationship with Kerry Weaver for a short time before being forced out by Dr. Romano's homophobia. MARTIN: I think it made such an impact because there is no social media back then. His character, John Carter, having received tenure at County, decided to reunite with his girlfriend Kem Likasu (portrayed by Thandie Newton). Good team work was shown and the game was one of the best and most interesting of the season. It's your job.". Freeman then appeared in Five Star Day, Hope, The Last Word and Blindfire. Clooney played Dr. Doug Ross for five seasons before exiting the show in 1999. It was not fun to be the patient, like at all. In the episode "Old Times", while a patient at Northwestern, he is visited by Benton, to whom he reveals that his marriage with Kem is going through a rough patch. She then appeared as Kitty Montgomery on Dietland, Dr. Nancy Jaax on The Hot Zone and had a recurring role on Billions. He left the show's main cast in season 11, though he continued to guest star after his exit. He then appeared in Below the Beltway, Queen of the Lot, Shot and Perfect Citizen. Medical Student. In the Facebook post, Carter introduced his followers to his wife calling it a "moment . Avenatti-Style! Firefighter, later married Kerry Weaver and had their child through AI. I said, "Hey, thanks," and he said, "Yeah, don't do that again. I owe her a big apology.". However, I felt that John Carter, in that moment, he liked a different type of woman. McCrane returned in the Season 15 episode "Heal Thyself" in a cameo during flashbacks. La Salle returned for two more episodes in Season 8 and then again for two episodes in Season 15, including the series finale. Marvel 1970s Coming soon. Talk about closure. The characters love lives, heartbreaks and personal ups and downs were also hot topics from week to week. Don't feel bad. She appeared in Like Crazy, Macbeth, Happily Every After and Transference. Tierneys Dr. Abby Lockhart became a series staple beginning in 1999, later marrying Dr. Luka Kovac (Visnkic). It was in the audition sides, so I knew probably well before her. Actor Noah Wyle played Dr. John Carter in 254 episodes of ER - more than any other cast member. His directing credits include Confessions of a Dangerous Mind and Good Night, and Good Luck, which he also wrote. The English actress then played Ellie Lagden on Hope Springs, Miranda Pond on Law & Order: Special Victims Unit, River Song on Doctor Who, Dinah Lance on Arrow and Mary Foster on Shoot the Messenger.
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