Plus giving much higher royalties, instantly paid, much better support, publishing system, etc. I deleted my products here and joined sguild again, no reason for staying here. @captainmarlowe Thanks a lot for a lot of valid points regarding search and categorization! If they can sell on craigslist, amazon, ebay, walmart, target, toysrus etc Of course they would only sell the 3D printable toys there, either to be printed or already printed then yes all of a sudden 3D printing would be come more relavant and profitable. I think CG Trader should remain working with printing, however, it's main concern should be CG :D, I would opt for a system that integrates different stores each with its own label/trademark placed under one common trademark (for sake of organization and readability), CGtraders main trademark would then function as a placeholder/main hub for many different sub stores. My personal experience, having had a short stint as a 3d print seller on Turbosquid, is that they paint with way too broad a brush when it comes to potential IP infringement. Having too many high poly models in 1 scene can considerably slow down rendering times, work flow and even crash your computer making the entire scene unusable. And to be fair, you will never get exact 40% from squid either, because they have payout fees too and also they withold certain amount from US purchases. 4. I'm about to bail on this site now - unless I can find any other topics that I might be qualified to post toapparently if I'm friendly enough I can earn some points, but it's seriously unlikely that I'll find any topics to which I can actually contribute. I can see how 3D modeling and 3D printing can be connected, but even that has to have a clear border for the customer. Yes CGtrader is great! Welcome to Eduvance Youtube Channel.Technology Leadership Program lecture series focuses on imparting knowledge to school students about new technologies lik. Maybe they would understand that sellers can't be treated as slaves. I think I like the another item the modeler has created (Modern Villa), but that item is $40. But hey thats your call, That's sad, but true. although, the 3d printing industry is growing rapidly :D. I have to agree. Same with copyright infringements, same with low quality models (a friend of mine bought recently a model here, which was supposed to be .OBJ compatible : but the seller had just exported the obj from its original program, without even editing the mtl file to have the textures loaded automatically ! In CGtrader you can accumulate many until you set up payment agreement. A rig is like a skeleton of a 3D model, which lets you move and pose it with little effort. While this tactic worked very well at first and allowed to draw that many sellers in relatively short period of time, now it's time to think about buyers, as without them sellers will start to starve. what you say doesn't make any sense because CGTrader has a 100 percent guarantee return policy on all models as far as I know. Speaking of it, noting even stops me here from adding in the description of the model something like this,"If you are a maya exeprt and can successful convert this project, then I will completely refund you in exchange for that converted maya file". or I can just sell on cgt and artstationm marketplace? [quote]1. f9acb067-ba84-4d38-8a65-8d3c4249a700Zoom.jpg httpswww.turbosquid.com3d-modelsfemale-rigged-3d-model1041167 --GENERAL-- This is hight quality female model with animation friendly topology. This is my principle decision . Over the years they have shown me that they really care about we think about the way things should be run and they have been adapting the website based on our combined ideas. There are very few modelers out there who can actually support themselves financially doing this and whenever one of us sells anything it is a little like winning the lottery. First of all make great and spectacular models for it and promote it on forums, facebook, linkedin groups and forums. Just my opinion, but look at homepage. And i cannot take care for piracy or stolen models because the 3d stuff will go in piracy anyways, doensnt matter the platform it comes from. Any more than 500,000 polygons in one scene and that will make opening and closing it a really long process not to mention that if you trying to animate something in the scene you may have to keep hiding things in various layers or create the animation in a separate one. Some points for and against. ", then there is little one can do but wait out the rebalancing. TurboCrooks should be boycotted by artists since they are the one responsible for the situation! 3. You can upload a 20 mb large model here with 3 formats, 20 photos, 100 wording text, 20 tags in around 20 minutes. Of course if you are buying models for the next Transformers movie the poly count won't matter that much because those models may be 500,000 each and you have almost unlimited resources to run those. - Do you think that a company like Turbosquid, managed by/for corporate funding with clear monopolistic intentions is more likely to improve your situation as a content creator in the future? In other words as an artist in TS you are not so well protected, as it's here at CGT. Despite offering models much cheaper (obviously) here than at TSquid, the clients prefer to buy on TSquid. Having too many high poly models in 1 scene can considerably slow down rendering times, work flow and even crash your computer making the entire scene unusable. Contact your Shutterstock Customer Success Manager, $10,000 in Legal Protection (Indemnification), Uncapped Legal Protection (Indemnification), $1,000,000 in Legal Protection (Indemnification), $250,000 in Legal Protection (Indemnification). Agree with every word above. Plus, as I saw in another post, turbosquid does not let you post any links. Site issues? It was the most unpleasant experience. Turbosquid.com4. But I will look there only because I know what is cgtrader and how it works. But i think CGT nows that pretty well, that's why they decided to bring changes in royalty policy and hopefully they will steer additional cash flow towards making this stock market more attractive to the buyers. Honestly I feel that it would be better to sell n bit slower that to have your models stolen. Founded in 2000, Turbosquid has championed growth in the 3D space through partnerships with leaders in the industry. What I read on different forums seems obvious, exclusivity no longer pays. Login to PayPal to add your account as a payment method. Unless you have a huge ass :) You can not keep all aspects of these markets covered, so you will only be average on all of them or even worse. Thor (Rig) for Maya 15. These people quote Sun Tzu when you talk to them, so guess their future plans for you. Buyers tend to look for things based on the category and budget and like to be able to put two products side by side to compare them and get a better understanding of why one is better than the other or which product is more suitable for them as an individual. I'd rather look into ways to create my own site, cause it's a bit tedious to sift through neverending site rules from neverending projects. It is likely that people will want to try out new things in their stores from time to time. Once that happens it is goodbye Turbosquid and hello big bucks for all of us at CGtrader. How Can we get 94% of Royalty?? They said fraud protection is only reserved for exclusive sellers. If you have any questions about these. Of course Matt Wisdom was disoriented and he was associated with Pixel SQUID bankruptcy. and resurrect it without that 3dprinting nonsense. Better for who? Login to PayPal to add your account as a payment method. They then review the model and contact seller to fix it. I still get more sales on TS, despite having adjusted all prices to compensate their extortions. Every freelancer is corporation of it's own. At the moment i think its more a community of sellers and not so much of buyers. By registering you confirm that you have read and accept ourTerms of Use, Rigged 3D models are your best choice when you need a character or object to perform unique movements. CGtrader website is much bather coded and it just need some time to get on top. However, if you are found to be out of compliance again, your collection will be taken offline for a more extended period of time. I'm glad CGtrader and its community of supporters is able to make this situation come to an end. On the other side, CGtrader empowers the real content creators, giving them all kind of freedom regarding their products and image, and encouraging communication between customers and content creators. or do you prefer to do business with companies you trust and feel comfortable working with while knowing you are supporting a #FairBusiness model that in the future will revert in your own direct benefit? Cgtrader cannot compare to certain 3d markets. I stumbled across the same issues! I don't know if that is still the case ( and I have no desire to check ) but that is advertising that is hard to beat. Noise Treshold: That definitely wasn't me hoe said that turbo. So what's needed? when the same type of issue occurs on CGTrader, the Staff policy is to do nothing. Logout from your account and go to CGTrader home page. And good thing that you decided to tell about - such things should go public and be discussed. This is inherently due to the fact that computers are still very bad when it comes to optimization processes, human brains are far more superior in sorting out things. For small buyers this is likely the case, but serious corporate buyers may have other priorities atop of lowest price. Imagine how much resorces and efforts are used by those clowns for this greedy Best price quality nonsense. - Forcing people to choose a proper tagging to their objects so that we don't get scanned high poly print-ready objects in the way when we tick the "low-poly" filter, As we think that CGtrader holds the best core for these kind of improvements, I would like to hear the opinion of Marius or any other CGtrader representative about the ideas recently proposed in this forum, specially: It is pretty awesome!!! I like how there is no join up fee. Products are subject to the TurboSquid, Inc. This way we let buyers know that cgtrader got some interesting stuff. I'm planing to start new discussion on this topic in near future, so i won't go into details here, i'll just ask did anybody tried to enter same keywords in TS and CGT search field? So, CGT is the best guys ! I agree that these two parts - CG and 3D printing should be split at least externally/ visually. @skifx, apparently your feeding hand is just too small. The claim Turbosquid made was that it infringed on Games Workshop IPs. I have to be honest about my view else who am i. Then we're all back at Square one again. More specifically, the 3D Model may not be exported or sold. Honestly, who wants to buy nudes anyway? To be honest, it's hard to me to believe that such respectable people like Mantas and Eduardas would refuse to remove negative feedback if it was given without firm reason. See ourPrivacy Policyfor more information. Personally I don' t see anything offending on human body, everyone has one but I respect that it could be offending to someone (especially kids) so it should be censured. Renderer: Cyclse. I really enjoy the chance to get to know other people's opinions and experiences regarding how they sell, network and do business and that is something I have only been able to do here on CGT. Get this item for $ when you bundle it with the items in your cart. I've often (not just at this site) downloaded "free" items to verify their quality before purchasing models from a vendorI had problems with 3-4 of the "free" items I looked at first here (having no idea there was a limit), and now I can download no more. This is why I would opt for a system which includes human sorting out capabilities. If that is the case then better not to become exclusive! Sketchfab.com-------------------------------. @skifx, @made21, my royalty rate is 80% and i earn from each sale from 72% to 77% depending on the model's price - the pricier the model is, the lesser payment processing fee gets. 3dsky.org2. Gumroad is an awesome virtual marketplace where artists can create their own store and sell any type of digital asset, from textures to tutorial series. I'm probably leaving this site for good, but it won't be because of you guys - it's because of the site itself. If the buyer decided to buy after inspecting a sample, the seller would deduct the sample price from another 3d model. This is hight quality female model with animation friendly topology. Thanks for sharing Your experience and thoughts. This is new era, time of old fashioned corporatism is going to be over. For example, I ran into this this morning. I have always been amazed at how TS can pull off their selling stunt, I've got better stuff AND cheaper on here than on TS but the sales over there totally dominate. A client would normally ALWAYS choose a cheaper price, that's a law of nature. Being between a rock (TS) and a hard place (CT) is a damn round the clock aggravation. In something limonadinis says is true, but I agree with tomislavveg. ;), My thoughts exactly.. 3d Printing could be very profitable (for CG Trader, and the modelers) Site issues? Some people mistaken de renders for real items already, can imagine how that would be on Ebay or amazon. Yep.. Some may post their old stuff they just don't want to ask money for, consequentially it is also not representative of the work they currently do. Products are subject to the TurboSquid, Inc. Yes. I started uploading on a few sites and TS was one of them and I can tell you now that that place is a mess. In fact, any properly textured model over 5000 polys for less than 15 bucks is NOT okay, and does NOT look professional at all. I am getting more sales on Cgtrader than TS though :P and CGtrader is easier to use. You don't even seem to get reputation points for purchasing items, assuming I've read the page correctly, and if that is the case it's just dumb. However, fear of losing sales kept me both on Ts and CGt for long time (not liked it). I would even make the prediction that most of what will be left of Ts (following months) are the exclusive sellers, they will probably get very frustrated and come over here no matter what deals they made with Ts. One of the biggest problems in this country is that the games and film studios are becoming a bit of a joke and not getting the funding they used to have. He bought a cheap product (with a fake account) and post a bad rating. A own store where you can fill your offers with stuff found in the large pool would account for a thumbs up for the people hoes products get placed in those stores. After that response I selected all my models and took them offline. I experienced this on other topics like the challenges, where CGT team took some ideas into consideration and applied some of them. Pleas just stand your ground, we need people coming in not leaving out. Old thread but still relevant, do yourself a favour and cut back on the seafood, delete TS bookmarks and make progress here. I got a bunch of scanned statues sold for 3D printing, some sci-fi characters that are obviously copyright infringements because made from movie licences, and, at the best, less than 1/2 of original characters models, many of them not being displayed because of "adult content". In fact, 61% comes out against 40%, since the paypal commission on cgtrader is borne by the seller, the site pays commission on turbosquid. I'm suggesting a collective of store owners. Turbosquid is butt ugly and greedy, I hope when CG gets bigger than TS, they don't end up the same way. In one case, the model is promising, commercial, and then set a high price. Apart from this it would be nice to have a system that promotes collaborative action to make the products themselves better. I don't know how reputation points work for sellers, they may work fine if you're an actual modeler, but for end-users it's just a dead-end. But there are questions that are not achievable for TS, and they will not go to such steps, and it is this: 1. Brittney What makes Cg-trader better than Turbosquid? This would be a really good way of encouraging buyers to come spend their money on CGtrader where they can find what they want faster than on other sites. Besides how about your right to fair trade? I can't imagine that competing sellers would go for such things as you described, but who knows, there are plenty nuts all around :]. Hello, http://rebloggy.com/post/art-copyright-turbosquid-infringement-kouotsu-ip-theft-kouotsu/34732573054 2. But they can still contact the artist for fixing issues directly here on CGTrader. - Limiting free objects to, let's say licensed objects like Stars Wars or Lego or whatever in an unlimited number, but to a few when it comes to "showcase" objects, let's say, 4 to 5 per designer, to help potential buyer judge the overall quality of the seller objects That place is dead for me. I think this game can only be won by the best community building force and that is CGt. Difference in quality of search results is shockingly vast in favor of TS. The stores/collections idea sounds good but maybe a simpler voting system for any product/seller will give an easy ranking system to take in count for search results among other factors. A very interesting idea about the stores and collections. Login to PayPal to add your account as a payment method. At one hand I could think this was indeed evidence that Ts had some clients that do not know about CGt. http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/cgtrader.com, https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-models/exterior/landmark/notre-dame-de-paris-cathedral-61d97afb1b1a62861673c23f15b75c12, https://www.facebook.com/ActiveKetoGummiesAustraliaWebsite. Luckily, non of my sells on TS were refunded so far and i had 3 refunds on CGT, 2 of them was caused by technical reasons from CGT side. This place is indeed different and allot closer to what we actually need, I can't imagine the core principal on witch this place is founded would change as it will prove to be the one and only way to be future proof in this supper connected world. I do not know if micro-managing brand or front-page appeal helps drive sales more effectively on other sites than on CGTrader. Considering it as a seller, CGTrader is NOT better because I have almost no sales at all while I have about 10 sales every month on TS. CGtrader is everything Ts is not, CGtader is fair, its open and communicative in all directions, its an inexpensive service, its new and more efficient, has lots of exiting tools, have more sales and get to keep bigger part, its growing fast, its updating and improving fast, etc, etc,. I think that subsequently only large studios and squidguild members will remain there" I was stunned to get informed there was no fraud protection (yes people, you pay 60% cut and get no fraud protection). Cgtrader really goes above and beyond with the customer service side of things. So i need to try to make money with my models as long as possible, means as long it is not uploaded to anywhere else. I like this site more, because, firstly, it has a much more pleasant and understandable interface, gives a higher percentage of the sale (on a TS, it looks more like a tip if you are not a member of their club), and generally it works more stable. How about Negotiated price? Everything is more and more coming down to individual levels of very friendly and much more human communication. I started uploading some of my items to cg trader to see if it generated any income but as I have 70+ items and 0 sales I have decided to stop. You must create a huge hype and create things that are unique and that connect with people. You have to choose a category to get a refresh. Most people say you get more sales at Turbosquid than any other 3D marketplace, so even if you get a much lower royalty % in the end you get more money, and while this is true up to a point (NOT x80 sales in any case), what most people don't realize is what happens IF your products are NOT in Turbosquid but you continue to sell in other marketplaces and have a bit of patience. Well, after a long search, I found a negative point from CGTrader compared to TS. We will only contact you if there's a problem with an order. Part of it is because they don't want to get scammed. Same for me, here. I see no point in closing when you might as well keep it open and get a couple sales. I removed all products from TS. To me this was a sign that people know about CGt and that users have at least two accounts. We made this limitation to protect our designers from leechers who download hundreds of free models and then try to monetize them in some other way. Here at CGtrader you can do all of that and much much more which is awesome!! A few months went by with my models offline and during that time my GCt sales gradually went up at a level consistent with the few sales I had left behind on Ts so I just deleted all my models at Ts. Absurd as it may sound, a lot of customers doesn't even make a simple "XXXX 3D model" search and go to Turbosquid just because that's a name they heard before. During all these years we always felt Turbosquid favored a sort of chaos and unfair competition between sellers because they were profiting a lot from that lack of understanding and cooperation between content creators. Imagine if CGtrader provided a service where they could get photos of the broken mug, then have some artists create a 3D version from the broken pieces and then have it printed for the client and sent to their house or if the client wants they can use their 3D printing company of preference to do it. People may think that having that option makes it more likely for sellers to see their work by placing their models in the incorrect category but actually that just irritates buyers who may just go elsewhere to buy. Be very wary when the artist is from India or other similar countries. A real pointless task. (I'm aware this involves many aspects) I'm even considering seriously closing my store here. Turbosquid has a bot spying cgtrader prices. I had hoped that CGTrader would want to be the kings but i have to be honest if you licence a thing only here you have to own it forever, as you cannot sell that licence. Personally, I felt I in no way infringed on said IP. Important detail : CGTrader allows communication between customers and sellers ! A possible solution for potential buyers looking to sample the work of sellers, would be for sellers to have their free sample models at a low minimal price instead of free. They do not deserve that I fed them 60% It's an example of waste of human recourses and time, because how many more are performing this same conversion work without telling? And if the buyer sees one and the same model on CGT and on TS, then the price will choose on CGTrader [/quote] The utopian view here is a successful merge of all related activities (or at least part), connecting as much people as possibly can that are doing something that could potentially involve 3D, and in doing so eventually streamline part of the global 3D marketplace and increase the amount of successful transactions between many possible parties. Royalty rate of CGTrader allows the seller to make a model cheaper than on TurboSquid. If any of you think this is a show of strength from Matt Wisdom and his Corporate brother Andy, think twice. Also don't forget that people sell their photos and posters too. rigged People SixPack 003 - Photogrammetry Population Character Rig, Realistic Human Body Basemesh - UVMapped - Rigged, CARTOON MAN AND WOMAN - TOON MOTHER AND FATHER, Worker Mining Safety Female - Bella - Harness, Naked Fitness Blonde Woman with Tied Hair. What I eventually hope to have is a healthy fair open market place, where collaboration , communication, people empowerment and evolution prevails over control systems, central power structures, monopolistic thinking, and maintaining of a status qou. Money in short term does not always pay of in long run. CGTrader is extremely accessible, perhaps too much so for its own good in some lights. Unlike Turbosquid which has remained practically the same since it was created and that actually has become dodgier over time as they have been adding more and more hoops for artists to jump through just to upload a basic model CGT has been great about constantly listening to it's artists needs and made great improvements! - CGTrader pays a LOT more than TS; TS *keeps* 60% unless you sell exclusively on their site and join their "Squid Guild". I agree with Captainmarlowe than one of the most important ideas to develop is more "education" for Sellers about all aspects involved in this business, and some kind of system that favors good and fair business practices and penalizes bad ones.
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