As a young man, I came into a couple of cases of hand-me-down factory mid-range wadcutters. The swaged bullets are soft enough that they expand even at mild velocities where a JHP or hard cast cant. Your link has been automatically embedded. Recoil is subjective and I feel no difference between that and an 750-775 fps load. of Bullseye, 148 gr lead DEWC and Federal 100 primers. Dont know where #1 Buckshot can be found, but the Speer shot cups and UNIQUE powder currently easy enough to find. I have 125 grain jacketed bullets, Bullseye powder and CCI 500 primers. L6: 1.550 inch = 39.37 mm Barrel Length : 2.0 inch = 50.8 mm Powder : Hodgdon HP38 Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge, incremented in steps of 2.0% of nominal charge. And Vihtavouris N320 and N321 fall in this range for burning times. Bullseye is one of the oldest smokeless pistol powders and still one of the most popular. With a charge of only 3.1 grains of Winchester 231 powder, velocities run around 750 to 800 fps with good accuracy and mild recoil. For me, the 32 H&R Mag is my 357 Mag, and the 32 S&W Long is my 38 SPL. But its also worth considering that its pushing the same size and weight projectile at the same velocity as the standard Army revolver load during the Civil War. When I finally took the plunge and started handloading (FIRST SHOTS WITH HANDLOADING: How Hard Can It Be? I buy 158 SWCHP all the time.my main bullet. Through the heyday of bullseye shooting over the various match courses of fire, there was probably a Mount Rushmore-sized mountain of powder loaded and combusted 2.7 grains at a time. The flyers tend to be severe. 38 Special Loads for Bullseye by GerhardG Sun Jul 17, 2022 11:01 am Greetings, Looking for load suggestions for 38 special LSWC 158 grain SNS bullets, red coated based on the following powders; Bullseye, Unique, N310 and N320. That's usually +P power level in .38 Special. Some people then claimed SAAMI raised the 357 Mag to 45,000. Winchester 231 is between Bullseye and Unique for the .38 special (see my personal load above). With all the loads available, you can surely find one within recoil tolerance. This load chugs downrange at 750 feet each second and functions standard recoil springs with no issue. My Reloading Manual for .38 Special has plenty of data for 125 gr JHP, and 125 gr JFP for Scot Powders/Vhitavuori, but nothing for Unique/W231/Bullseye. This Cast Reloading Bullet feeds great in automatics and has excellent accuracy in both the 9mm and 38 Super. I dont miss lubing casescarbide is king! Smith & Wesson Model 27 .357 Magnum (because no 6-inch Smith & Wesson .38 Special revolver was on hand). Caveat: I have decided that I want to be prepared for threat scenarios that include stopping a terrorist or spree-killer (the odds of which I fully recognize is statistically zero). Based on this Id load some at 3.3 and 3.5 and see what you get, but Id never exceed 3.8 ever. . defensive ammo. Especially if you reload. Use data for weight. My point being is I used the resources I have, looked elsewhere (The High Road, The Firing Line), and wanted to try here. WAP, WMR, WSF, WSL, 760, 748, 231 and 540 are products of Winchester, Components Div. But one classic target load is not far behind the .38 wadcutter in its own reputation with target shooters: a 200-grain semiwadcutter bottling up 4.6 grains of Bullseye. Good point Len. I do this for my .357s but this article is about .38 Special loads. That blunt-ended bullet cut a clean hole all the way through whatever its modest velocity allowed it to penetrate. YouTube has plenty of reloading channels or the Reloaders Network webpage has more info as well. Thanks for the excellent article, Josh! Not as easy to find brass these days as it is not the most popular round anymore. JHP (now discontinued) 5 rounds . SWC, 160 gr. Im still new to reloading, having done 2500 38 spl with bullseye. Notes: Bbl Length: 5.6; primer: Fed. 38 Special 17,000 Normal, mild .38 loads work fine with lead bullets. There is one good reason to use WST. I soon traded off a Colt Frontier Scout .22 LR for an S&W Model 15 and happily chased all manner of small game and landfill targets with my stash of wadcutters. Interestingly, I had pistols that would shoot one well and the other impressively, but have not yet had one pistol do magic with both. My brother put CT laser grips on his wifes M36. WST seems like such a good powder in .45 ACP that I thought I might try it. So if you find a "lead" load it is also a plated load. I have several manuals and some say that this load is a low +p, some say it is not, but it is very accurate. 38 special , bullseye, and 125 grain lead rnfp Handloading, Reloading, and Bullet Casting : The Firing Line Forums > The Skunkworks > Handloading, Reloading, and . 9 mm, .40 sw, 45 acp, .44 mag. 3 gr of WST in a 38 spl case with 125 gr plated bullet is a very light load. As you move up in loads, you at least need the gas check on the bottom of the bullet to prevent gas melting the lead and fouling the barrel. In my area, Bullseye is one of the first powders to disappear from shelves, lasting about a heartbeat longer than an econo bulk box of .22 Long Rifle ammunition. Jacketed bullets create a bit more wear on the rifling, but its better than trying to wire brush out a bunch of lead build up. WST is a good powder for a very specialized load. It is easy to load in progressive presses and has commercially available options from virtually all modern manufacturers. We use cookies to ensure that we give you the best experience on our website. Reduce by 10% to establish a starting charge weight. She ran two cylinders of 100 grain wad cutters and gave it back to me. Years back, for indoor matches I teamed the heavier S&W Model 28 with 3.4 grains of the same powder and bullet in . I once rented a Ruger LCR in .38 Special. 1.455 in. I have used everything from simple lead to the most advanced machined copper bullets and found them all to be extraordinarily easy to load and shoot. Min Charge Max Charge Optimal Charge Bullet Make Bullet Type Primer Notes; Hodgdon - 700-X: 125 gr. Were all familiar with the old adage, Never bring a knife to a gunfight. And while we should, The active shooter is a relatively new phenomenon in the grand scheme of things. in 158 weight berry's bullet 3.8 grains of bullseye with a taper crimp. Hodgdon gives starting load of 4.0 grains and 4.4 grains MAX. Any clues for powder and starting loads???? Notes: primer: CCI 500; case: Speer; NOTE: All loads are maximum. It is a very versatile and useful round. A Tyler T grip would have helped here, but is incompatible w/ factory grips. Not in that order. DR loads (158gr Remington swaged LSWC over 3.6gr AA#2 in Winchester .38 Special cases) I shoot American eagle, remington factory,remington umc, and mag tech. No benchrest, nothing but two shakey hands holding the pistol. Enough that the range Officer at my range recognized them because the muzzle blast made a distinctive cat whisker pattern at 8 and 10, and 2 and 4 o clock. Larry Gibson "Deficient observation is merely a form of ignorance and responsible for the many morbid notions and foolish ideas prevailing." Nikola Tesla 01-30-2020, 01:43 PM #9 Mr_Flintstone Boolit Buddy Join Date Jan 2020 Location On 7/4/2018 at 11:57 AM, Bill Sahlberg said: There is nothing more accurate at PPC than 148 gr8 HBWC (lead) using 2.8 gr of 231 and a tight crimp with Starline 38 Special brass & a Federal Small pistol primer. Despite being well over one hundred years old, it still has perfect relevance for todays shooters, both novice and advanced. Recoil is the good kind that reminds the shooter handguns are serious tools but without eliciting a flinch. I'm seating to what's in my loading manual. I went to the grocery store to buy a loath of bread.. Of course, these will be used in a revolver. If there is only ONE load, it is MAX. When using a 158 gr. JHP, (WC= WadCutter, SWC= Semi-WadCutter, HP= Hollow Point, RN= Round Nose), (JHP= Jacketed Hollow Point and if GC indicated, means Gas Check at bottom of lead bullet). I havent shot too many full house Casull loads, but I get a huge grin when shooting my reduced loads of 7.5grs of Trail Boss under a Cast Performance 360gr WLFN. This load is in the general velocity bracket with most generic or bulk box 115-grain loads and zings over my chronograph at 1,125 to 1,140 fps from a Glock 17, depending on bullet style. I have one that has been loaded about sixty times and it is still in use today. (Inceptor) Diameter: 0.357" Powder: CFE Pistol (Hodgdon) Primer: WIN WSP Case: WIN Trim Length: 1.145" C.O.L. If there is a search function for these forums (didn't see one) I'd be happy to use that too Go to the Alliant website and find the data for Unique and Bullseye. I bet you can find some nice shooting loads with Bullseye. Most modern revolvers chambered for .38 SPL are rated to +P, so there is room for error, but care must still be taken. Brass collection is easy since it doesnt eject. ( customer reviews) $ 10.69 - $ 246.00. Load shot well out of a variety of service handguns. 6.) Not sure how that translates to Bullseye powder. Im not recommending that you carry the Bullseye load, but dont feel as if you are going to tactical purgatory for enjoying this load, either. Robert Frost. It also shows that the loads were established using a 6" barrel, so regardless of what any published data shows, the chances of ever finding published data for the exact projectile and barrel length you are using, as well as the exact conditions you will be shooting in, would be nearly impossible. swatmag.com is a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for sites to earn advertising fees by advertising and linking to Amazon.com. As anyone learns quickly, first thing that needs to be done is to replace the small factory S&W grips (I use Hogue) so you can hold onto the gun. Notify me of follow-up comments by email. Where many shooters quickly tire of even standard-pressure .38 in the little five-shooters, the wadcutter invites cylinder after cylinder of practice. Also internet references 2009, Copyright. The gun has appeared on TTAG before and has remained unchanged as far as accessories. Bullseye is a little smoky, a lot sooty, and has a distinct odor. But I would only be caught dead with one in my hands if I had to use one for self defense (pun intended). 100 except where otherwise noted in "remarks" Be Alert: Publisher cannot be responsible for errors in published load data. Winchester's 231 or WSL are also good powders for the .38 special. I get okay accuracy with 4.4 of W-W 231 and 125s, depending on what bullet is used. I have experimented with both of Hornadys 200-grain semiwadcutters in this load: the more button-nosed SWC and the longer Combat/Target (C/T) version. Boolit Grand Master. I think you will find since the .38 special is headspaced on the rim your case length is very important to achieve your best accuracy. A chameleon depending on your loads and the barrel length or action its fired from. SWC+GC, My Dad has advanced arthritis and could not longer easily work his auto loaders. Times across steel plate racks and many of my standard drills with the 200-grain SWCs rival my best easy-shooting 9mm results. A handgunner using .38 Specials is set for targets, plinking and small game while .357 Mag. Winchester's website has data for W231 and a 125 gr LRNFP, but not plated. THAT TIME IS BETTER SPENT LEARNING HOW TO SHOOT THE REVOLVER IN THE RAPID FIRE PORTION. Interesting. There are many fun uses for buckshot. Did you cross post the bullet weight? If you have a lightweight .38 or older gun, you may want to start with 10% less than max amounts listed above, and work up to the full loads. Does anyone have any data. Recoil in that gun is less than most 45 ACP 1911s I have shot, and its still got around 500-600ft lbs of energy which is more than enough for feral hogs around the ranch back home. You cannot paste images directly. The manufacturing process of swaged bullets requires relatively soft lead for two reasons. Heck, 38s in a J frame arent fun- theres no way a 327 Mag isnt worse. Even though the gun was chambered for .357 Magnum, I plinked and practiced with a lot of .38s over the years. Reloading Data for .38 Special - Load Data - 1895Gunner. Tim: The Lyman 49th edition lists the accuracy loads for their cast bullets. A Forum dedicated to the sport of Bullseye shooting, Bullseye-L Forum::Ammunition Discussion, I'm looking for an accurate load using 125gr bullets. There really is a recently developed technology that prevents leading, while eliminating messy lubricants. are you loading .38 special brass, or .357 magnum brass? Click there and go to the load data lookup section . BrianEnos.com A cold header, at their basic level, are multi ton power presses laying down on their side. Send the cylinder out to get cut for moon clips and adapted to 9mm, so you can shoot both 38/357/9mm and use all on moon clips. I use 3 gr. While I wish I could carry a 5 .45 WITNESS with several 10 round mags, as a senior citizen, the S&W J frame is my user friendly alternate. For those who have issues using auto pistils, due ti arthritis or other medical issues with the hands an LCR or 642 is a great choice. When I teach other people the basics of reloading, I teach them on the .38 SPL. : 1.475" Powder: 6.0 gr 6.9 gr Vel. I have two editions of it from different years that have that data. Upload or insert images from URL. I am using this load in some .38 specials. Like almost all pistol cartridges called ".38" the .38 Special actually takes .357" diameter bullets. Here is the dillema: The Lyman manual says starting load is 3.2 grains and MAX. And for 99% of the actual real world needs of a citizen for self defense it will work just fine. Case life is excellent, especially for mild loads. How does WST compare to Bullseye powder? I'm going to start with 3.8 grains. Recoil was so nasty that I quit after five shots and saved the rest of the box for my 6 Model 19 .357. I tried 10 shots of each: 2.2, 2.4, 2.5, 2.7. I've tried Berry's plated as well as Remington. Some use powders dispersed in liquids, some use electrostatic guns to spray dry powder on their bullets. I, like Spartacus, find the SAAMI recommendations an interesting spec for comparative purposes. 38 Special 125 gr XTP American Gunner Item #90324 | 25/Box The American Gunner line of ammunition is a collection of tried-and-true, versatile loads that are popular with shooters for their target shooting, hunting or self-defense needs. Ideal load in a 2 J Frame .38. Recoil is mild enough that for many years it was the golden choice for the next introductory step for young or new shooters after rimfire. The bullets are seated flush in the case. It is always higher when powder is next to primer. My usual 38 Spl load is a 125 gr plated bullet over 5 grains of bullseye. I'm planning to use Alliant's Unique powder to reload with 125 grain flat point jacketed bullets from Berry's and Winchester small pistol primers. Only need cast when driving up to 1200 fps or so. Home About Partners Contact. My other son fired one shot and handed it back. These are the bullets I bought: 158 gr from Roze dist. Im not a hoarder and I dont keep them, but I am detailed in my process. During my first half century on this planet, my caliber of choice for defense was 45 ACP- but for everything else it was always 38 SPL. I picked some up from my local Scheels yesterday. You trade a little less speed for a little more mass but at snubnose velocities I really think the standard 158 grain slug gives the best penetration. The Speer #8 lists a max of 7.5 grs Unique with a 125 gr Jacketed SP This would be for plinking for my wife's ~3" Rossi, so something light and fun to shoot would be great.All three of those powders have published load data for that weight bullet in .38 Special.All three of those powders have published load data for that weight bullet in .38 . 3.8 gr. Shoot cast and coated bullets and you can go much higher in load and velocity. 110gr JHP! 10. 38 Special, all bullet weights Bullet Powder Weight Powder Velocity OAL Primer Source 110gr JHP! 5 are good choices. This 1911 halved its normal so-so accuracy with 200-grain Hornady C/T SWC, shooting this nice two-inch group. If all you practice with is the easy comfortable stuff, its not really practice. The stuff you learn shooting 20,000 reloads (on top of thousands of rounds of factory ammo) can be pretty interesting and I feel that Ive got a very good picture of what the .38 Special. accuracy. (Cowboy Action) 38 Special (Cowboy Action) 38-40 Win. I wish Id had a commercial version of this load in my ammo allocation when we were tasked with getting classes of students up to special operations standards with the issue custom 1911s. For any loads over 900-1,000 FPS, I suggest using a jacketed bullet. Be careful !!!! I can not be held responsible for. Oh, I practice with it. 44 Rem Mag 36,000. The beauty of shooting a .38 is that you can easily practice at the ranges you'd fight at using basically any cheap bullet at minimal expense. These are hand loads.. load data was published in Lyman 50th edition.. Ive tried full metal jacket and the Hornady Action Pistol (HAP) match hollow point in this load, and both ranged from good to great in my nines. NULLI SECUNDUS. I had ammo for some friends as low as 600 fps. 1995-2022. As a result, Ive been able to spend far more time practicing with it rather than fussing with it. I used to reload .38s and .357s with 158 grain LSWC bullets over 4.3 and 6.5 grains of Unique. Hornady 115-grain HAPs over 4.4 grains of Bullseye alongside 25-yard timed-fire target. I'd rather shoot my .45 then. Most starting .357 reloading powder levels will fall in this .38 +P+ type reload, and the powder being used can be selected (faster or slower) based on barrel length. And I still think a 158 at 600 beats hell out of a 22 magnum of any stripe. Just depends on what kinds of loads you plan to shoot. Display as a link instead, Posted March 2, 2013. But this piece isnt about the gun, but rather the cartridge. They are true classics, and I hope you get as much use out of them! Youre describing Remington Multiball ammunition (R357MB)- I used to carry that stuff decades ago. Sorry I can't be of more help, but I use 158 grain coated RNFP and don't use any of those powders that you list. VV N320, N330 and N340 are products of VihtaVouri Oy Company 4.0 gr. That sounds. Now, you have to go to a range or have a membership and pay to fill the backstop with lead. Different colors can be used to identify different loads and since bottom of each bullet is also powder coated, there is less lead dispersed in the air at the shooting range. 110gr JHP! Canister Sizes: View All Bullseye Recipes Wes, SASS Wire rules prohibit posting specific load data on the forum, but it can be passed along via private message or email. All the data says this should be an OK load , even "mid-range" for non +p. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. I have a long way to go before I'm ready to compete, but enjoy plinking and hand loading. June 13, 2016 in 9mm/38 Caliber. One cool load Im working on is two pellets of 000 Buck. Just got back into reloading 38 special again after a long hiatus with no revolver, and was instantly reminded of what a joy it is to reload. A Forum dedicated to the sport of Bullseye shooting, Bullseye-L Forum::Ammunition Discussion, byPacFltShooter Wed Oct 28, 2020 9:00 am, byPacFltShooter Wed Oct 28, 2020 5:36 pm, byPacFltShooter Wed Oct 28, 2020 6:46 pm, byPacFltShooter Wed Oct 28, 2020 8:45 pm, byPacFltShooter Wed Nov 04, 2020 4:50 pm. Nice thing about reloading is that loads can be tailored for the gun that you are shooting. When you could leave city limits and just about every dirt mound in sight, was a plinking range. He has taught and been responsible for numerous advanced skills and weapons courses within multiple organizations.
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